this is why wayne lapierre is just wrong. senator durbin had a hearing on the second amendment this week and he made or one of his witnesses made the point when you talk about cracking down on purchasers, that's a document issue. this is not about the second amendment, not taking away anyone's guns. it's just if you sign a document saying i'm the purchaser of the gun, it's just like any document you sign for a loan. if you are offense or straw purchaser, if you lie or a criminal, you're going to face a penalty. he's wrong. it's not always about second amendment. there's nothing obama has said that would make you think you're going to lose a gun. >> in that room there are people nodding their head yes. what can be said at this point to persuade those folks this is not a secret agenda or what wayne lapierre referred to as deception or manipulation? >> to be honest, i'm not sure blah can be said. the premise of his argument is false. if there's been a decade-long war perpetrated against the second amendment, i must have been sle